Введение

This guide applies to Ryobi One+18V Li-ion Battery (130501002), but should also have more general application. This guide will show you how to disassemble the battery pack and check the cell balance and rebalance the cells if necessary.

The battery should normally measure about 18V across the terminals (21V max). If it reads about 12V, then it is likely the battery protection circuit has activated because of cell imbalance. (Those were my symptoms.)

Cell re-balance could also help if the battery isn't taking a full charge (not showing green on the fuel guage button).

The time estimate for this guide is for disassembly and cell balance measurement. Cell rebalance charge time is extra.

CAUTION: Battery disassembly exposes high current circuits. Be careful!

This battery is of 2P5S configuration (sets of 2 parallel cells, 5 sets in a series string). It uses Sanyo 18650 Li-ion cells.

CAUTION: Battery disassembly exposes high current circuits.  Be careful! Remove the four T15 security screws from the bottom.
  • CAUTION: Battery disassembly exposes high current circuits. Be careful!

  • Remove the four T15 security screws from the bottom.

  • Remove the one T10 screw on the top.

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Lever the cover clips to remove the top cover.  Leaver up so the base pops out. Using an insulated instrument, lever the battery terminal assembly down inside the top cover.
  • Lever the cover clips to remove the top cover. Leaver up so the base pops out.

  • Using an insulated instrument, lever the battery terminal assembly down inside the top cover.

  • CAUTION: use of a metal instrument for the above step risks shorting the battery contacts.

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Once there is enough gap, reach in and hold the battery terminal assembly, while sliding off the top cover. The battery catch clips on the sides can be removed if you want.
  • Once there is enough gap, reach in and hold the battery terminal assembly, while sliding off the top cover.

  • The battery catch clips on the sides can be removed if you want.

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With a Digital Multimeter (Volt Meter) set to DC Volts, measure the cell balance.  The nickle straps are good test points.  Note the cell voltages.
  • With a Digital Multimeter (Volt Meter) set to DC Volts, measure the cell balance. The nickle straps are good test points. Note the cell voltages.

  • Cell 1: TP6 to CL1

  • Cell 2: CL1 to CL2

  • Cell 3: CL2 to CL3

  • Cell 4: CL3 to CL4

  • Cell 5: CL4 to CL5 (Battery Pos)

  • The cell voltages should be in the range 3.0V to 4.2V. The cells should all read about the same, say 3.9V. If the cells are more than 0.1V different, then cell imbalance could be a problem for your battery pack.

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Use a Benchtop Power supply with adjustable voltage and adjustable current limit.  Voltage and current meters are necessary too.  Example, the Topward 3000 series. Set the voltage to the higher cell voltage you measured, but no more than 4.2V.  Set the current limit to 0.5A.
  • Use a Benchtop Power supply with adjustable voltage and adjustable current limit. Voltage and current meters are necessary too. Example, the Topward 3000 series. Set the voltage to the higher cell voltage you measured, but no more than 4.2V. Set the current limit to 0.5A.

  • Connect the power supply to the cell to be charged up (rebalanced), positive to positive, negative to negative. Crocodile clips are useful for this.

  • As the cell charges up the voltage will rise and stop at the set voltage, then the current will start to decrease toward zero. When the current drops to near zero the cell is charged.

  • Remove the power supply and repeat the cell voltage measurements.

  • Repeat charging on other cells until all cells are within about 0.1V.

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Заключение

To reassemble your device, follow these instructions in reverse order from step 3.

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edwardb

Member since: 23.08.2011

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Using this guide, I successfully dismantled my 18V Ryobi Li-Ion battery with no problem. THANKS edwardb! In my case, I do have cell voltage imbalance exceeding 0.1V (3.48 to 3.36V). I would like to get your feedback on an alternate STEP 5 since I don't have a variable power supply yet. It seems that we recharging the individual pairs of SANYO cells to the same voltage so that the protection circuit will function properly again and allow the reassembled Ryobi battery to be recharged again using the standard Ryobi chargers. If this is this correct, then there might be 2 other options for reducing the cell imbalance to less than 0.1V as mentioned in STEP 5.

OPTION 1: Carefully deplete the cells having the higher voltage to reduce the voltage imbalance to less than 0.1V, or

OPTION 2: Carefully charge the lower voltage cells using a solar panel that has a power rating of less than 4.2Vx0.5amps =2 watts.

Would either OPTION 1 or 2 work?

Al Manzer - Ответить

Hi Al, Glad the guide is useful.

Yes your option 1 or option 2 would both work.

For option 1, use a power resistor with sufficient rating (say 10 ohm, 2W). Careful monitoring would be needed. Be sure to stay above 3.0V.

Option 2 should work fine too, might take a while depending on how many cells you can charge while the sun is out (and giving you good power in the solar panel).

Good luck

Ed

edwardb -

Ed, thanks for your quick response. This is how I re-balanced my cells. I charged the 4 lowest voltage cell pairs, one at a time, to the same level as the highest voltage cell (3.48V) using a spare 18V Ryobi battery. I connected one cell tab to one terminal of the spare Ryobi using thin bell wire (it's like speaker wire). The polarity is critical (negative-to-negative, or positive-to-positive). I then attached one end of another bell wire to the other terminal of the spare Ryobi. With the free end, I made frequent intermittent contact with the other cell tab. This means touching the wire to the cell tab long enough to see sparks and repeat the contact every 5-10 seconds, depending on how fast the wire heats up. If the wire is hot, then increase the interval between sparking. During this procedure, it is important to monitor the voltage across the cell. In less than a half hour, all cells were charged. After reassembly, I was able to charge the battery up to about 19.8V, a bit less than usual (20.5V). Amazing!

Al Manzer - Ответить

How about another alternative: why not use one of the higher voltage cells to charge one of the lower voltage cells? Put two of the cells together with a resistor or series of resistors in between them.

If my EE skills are in tact, you could put a chain of 470 milliOhm 1/4W resistors in series - one for every .1V difference. As the voltage difference drops, remove a resistor from the chain until there is only 1 resistor between the two cells that differ by .1V.

So for example, if one cell was 4.2 V and another was 3.6 V, put 6 of the resistors in series. When they go to 4.2 and 3.7 remove a resistor, when they go to 4.1 and 3.7 remove a resistor until one is 3.9 and the other is 3.8.

Mouser sells these resistors for less than 20 cents here: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Yage...

Your thoughts?

Kenton - Ответить

Kenton, you need to consider your application from the energy perspective. Cells in a Ryobi battery are normally cycled from 3.5 to 4.1V, resulting in 4.8 Wh output/cell. In your example, the 4.1V cell would lose about 1Wh of energy while discharging to 3.9V, based on what I’ve read on the internet. That energy would be distributed to a) the charging of the weaker cell, b) the heat load of your resistors, and c) the charging inefficiencies. For item a), the weaker cell would need about 2Wh charging from 3.6 to 3.8V. For item b), the resistors would dissipate <0.1Wh in one hour at say 0.3 amps. For item c), I would not be surprised if it takes an extra Wh to charge an cell by 2Wh. At the end of the day, you would likely have 2 depleted cells.

Ed’s original intent was to rebalance the cells without removing them from the Ryobi battery. For your approach, you would need to remove the cells if both the stronger and weaker cells come from the same battery pack. Hope this helps. What do you think Ed?

Al Manzer -

Just wanted to say thank you for this tutorial. I don't have a benchtop power supply, but an old cell-phone charger transformer worked perfectly for me. The one I had was 4.8V, 0.9A and I just cut the end off and wrapped each lead around each probe of my multimeter. The multimeter read 4.8V and then I'd touch the probes to the contacts of the low battery cell and the multimeter would drop down to 2.9V (in my case) and slowly trickle up to 3.48V (which was the same as the other cells). It worked perfectly and I didn't even have to have a fancy power supply. Now I've gotta get back to trimming the yard. Thanks again for the ideas!

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Ed Hughes - Ответить

Thanks for the writeup, very useful information.

I have a P104 18V battery and opened it to test the cells.

All cells are reasonably close. One is 4.1, one 4.07 and the rest 4.06.

So they appear to be reasonably well balanced but I still have issues.

The battery seems to charge fully and shows full bars on the indicator but the battery will only work for a short time and then start dying under load.

When I try to test the voltage across the outside terminals I only get a quick flash reading then it drops to 0. The reading is variable but usually flashes around 19v. Any ideas on what the issue might be? Bad temp sensor in the pack maybe? Any way to test?

Nite Owl - Ответить

Nite owl. Did you ever find a solution to your Ryobi battery problem? I have one doing the same 20 volts for a quick burst then nothing. In a tool this will repeat over and over pull the trigger and it runs for half a second then dies

Scott Reagan -

Well Nice Owl, your circuit board could be faulty. Try charging the battery while it is disassembled. If the voltage is 0 at the terminals and full charge at the connections across the cells then it might be the circuit board. Next, to check the temperature sensor, bypass the temp sensor with a jumper wire to see if the battery starts charging normally. If it does then the sensor is faulty. Hope that helps.

Al Manzer - Ответить

So where are Cell 1: TP6 to CL1

Cell 2: CL1 to CL2

Cell 3: CL2 to CL3

Cell 4: CL3 to CL4

Cell 5: CL4 to CL5 (Battery Pos) ?

I'm new to this but I have two dead although new maybe two charges,and one never worked. And how do you charge each cell? I don't have a Benchtop Power supply with adjustable voltage and adjustable current limit.

daddywoofdawg - Ответить

WORKED PERFECTLY with cell phone charger THANK YOU ,THANK YOU ,THANK YOU!!!!!!!!

Frank O - Ответить

I was also able to rebalance my battery using this guide and a cell phone charger. I do have one P107 (battery with fuel gauge) that is completely gone. I was considering buying a P102 and using the cells in the p107 so I can keep the fuel gauge. The p102 is about half the cost of a new p107. Has anyone done this or think it is possible?

John - Ответить

It's very possible, the difference being 102 has 11865 cells and 107 has 21865 cells, so basically what you will have is a 102 with a fuel gauge.

Dmac3009 -

I have a question. I have a p108 that is fully charged each cell at 4.2v and all cells together measure 21v but at the upper terminals i only get 16v. Now obviously its a problem somewhere on the board but does anyone have a clue which component could be reducing the voltage?

john - Ответить

Also useful if you leave your battery uncharged for a long period of time, a year or more, the defective light will come on not allowing the battery to charge. If this happens the battery has been totally discharged to the point where the charger can not determine if the battery is inserted. Try putting a 12 volt battery charger to the Positive and negative points on the battery for a minute. It will charge the battery enough so that the charger will recognize the battery is installed. Essentially re-polarizing the battery. Just did it to my father's kit with 2 batteries. My Dad passed away nearly 2 years ago and I was cleaning out his garage and found the 4 piece kit. The Batteries had not been charged in at least 2 year. Deader than a door nail. Re-polarized the 2 batteries and "Walla" they took a charge. The tools are working great.

jerryschutz - Ответить

Dude, sweet! I thought I was going to have to throw out a three-year-old battery, but this little tip saved me. Sad that Ryobi didn't implement automatic battery balancing, but hey, you gotta do what you gotta do!

Erik Ness - Ответить

My question is how do you open the battery pack that seems to have a security cover over one of the five screws? I have a Ryobi P102 battery pack

Stan - Ответить

Yes, you have to dig out the plug that covers one of the screws. It’s there to discourage DIY’ers. :)

Michael Cyr -

Hi Edward or anyone else. Both my batteries never charge or go green. Just the red slow pulse when I plug them in charger. If I let them sit in charger for a while they get up to 16.32v. Not much higher and work to turn the drill for 5 sec then it dies. So I tried this guide and measured the volts across all the points specified above but they don't look to be more then .1 v variance.

Tp6-cl1 =3.25

Cl1-cl2= 3.22

Cl2-cl3=3.26

Cl3--cl4=3.23

Cl4-cl5=fluctuates between 3.29-3.30

Is that still the case or do I have something else going on. Maybe bring them all up to 3.30 and see if that's the issue?

Michael Spivack - Ответить

Hi Michael. It seems that you may have 2 issues. There is likely a problem with your charger. I have 4 old (different model) Ryobi chargers and 16 old batteries. I find that not all chargers will charge all my batteries, ie, some batteries will only charge on one or two chargers. I also have some batteries that appear fully charged (green light) and will only work for a few minutes before being depleted (red light), I've set these batteries aside and will swap out the 18650 cells on a cold snowy day next winter when I have more time. Meanwhile, you could try charging all 5 cells individually to about 4.00+/-0.05 V, then reassemble and try your drill. If your drill only works for a few minutes, then the problem lies with the cells and you can try swapping them out with newer cells. If the charged battery works fine, then you probably have a faulty charger. Good luck.

Al Manzer - Ответить

This actually works. I also used an old phone charger plugged into a AC wall socket and wrapped the wires around a multimeter test probe to recharge each cell. I charged each cell back above 3.3 volts. The Ryobi charger took it from there. I did alot of research before doing this. The chip board in the battery must not allow the charger to charge "excessively depleted" cells in a pack to protect against fires. I use R/C cars with lithium batteries. Supposedly any voltage drawn below 3 volts per cell damages a lithium cell. Make sure you have the correct polarity when touching the cells or POOF!

Cael Sprute - Ответить

Hi, One of my two P104 Ryobi batteries has a malfunction. I took the pack apart and found that the last two cells (Battery Plus edge) had a reading of -0.7Volts. I replace the two cell group with purchased cells and still the battery will not charge. The central terminal (of the battery pack) reads about 8 Volts while the two positive and the + to - tabs also reads about the same 8 volts. The battery plus to battery minus solder taps on the PC board reads about 16 volts. The FET Q8 may be a problem. The approximately 8 volts is present on the Gate pin and the Drain pin. I am in the process of trying to trace the track on the PCB and find out why the anomalies are there, however I am finding it very difficult without a schematic. Do you by any chance can direct me to a site or some one who may have a schematic of Ryobi PCB P/N280079004/280079009.

Chris Mallios-August 12

Christos Mallios - Ответить

I just used this guide this morning to save Two P107 batteries. Both were fully charged and functional and both didnt work the next week. I was pretty upset as the kit is just under 3 years old but I've never charged either battery more than 15 times... Used a fine flat blade to pry out the security tab, 5 screws all security T15 for me. Checked battery voltage across all 5 cells. On both my P107’s cell 3 was at 0.9 volts. Smells kind of fishy Ryobi as both batteries were purchased together. Used an auto battery charger set at the 6 volt 2 amp setting with alligator clips and volt meter in line. Had to disconnect the charger a couple times to double check the resting voltage on cell 3. Final charge at 3.55 volts. Topped up cell 5 on both batteries from 3.4 to 3.55 as well. All other cells were between 3.58 and 4.1. Both batteries are now fully charged at 18.33 volts and run the drill… no telling if or when the problem will re occur, but nice to have the drill running again. Will keep on charger from now on.

JordonK - Ответить

It is such rubbish about 20 volt tools have higher power than 18 volt tools. They are the same voltage when fully charged up. It's just marketing hype, unless you own true 24 volt & up battery tools.

When cell balancing You should not use a higher charge voltage than 12 volts. Preferably use a strong 6 volt battery or a plug in a/c to d/c transformer, match polarity always with d/c current & it should bring the individual cell up to the nominal voltage, the voltage of the highest charged cell in your pack.

You can manually touch the terminals with the 6 volt wires on the lower voltage cell and check it with a voltage meter, then stop charging the individual cell when it comes up to matches the other cell's voltage.

When all battery cells are the same voltage, never go higher than 4.2v, then you can charge your Ryobi pack back on your Ryobi charger. It should start charging fine if it isn't below the depleted battery voltage of any lower than 17v for the whole pack combined cell voltage.

Aaron - Ответить

I have been watching the feedback roll in over the last few years and am pleased that Ed’s procedure has helped so many people. The batteries that I have rebalanced years ago are still working. Good job Ed!! Thanks

Al Manzer - Ответить

Am I doing something wrong in my measurements? Or is my voltmeter defective? or is it within normal parameters?

Ezio Cusi - Ответить

Am I doing something wrong? I have very high measaurements for the five cells: ten, thirteen,twentyone, twenty-one, thirty. and even higher in another battery.

Ezio Cusi - Ответить

Ezio, i think your voltmeter is either wonky or you are not taking the correct measurements. You need to measure the voltage croess indiviual cells which should be around 3.1 to 4.2 volts.

Al Manzer - Ответить

My issue : the battery runs the drill but not enuf power for the saw. Always charges in maintainence modè. Im confused ! ?!

jeff Blair - Ответить

I have 4 x 36v Ryobi batteries. On a full charge, the measured voltage is around 20v. Upon inspection o f one of the battery, I can only see cl1 + & - , cl6 +&-. There are other terminations, but they are all positives with no corresponding negatives. The other terminators go up to c10. I can assume that I have faulty cells, but unsure how to proceed to recharge each individual pack. The voltages measured at c1 & c4 are 4.08v.

Any help would be appreciated.

Philipwinfield - Ответить

Perhaps you should gently take the circuit board and battery pack out of the case to check the voltage for each 18650 cell. It is a snug fit, but they do come out.

Al Manzer - Ответить

I have a P107 Lithium 18V battery. 4 of the cells read 3.83v and one reads 3.71v The battery runs the drill ok, but I tried to charge it in the Ryobi charger and it just blinks red and never turns green.  Charger bad, cell imbalance?

Ron Woods - Ответить

Looks taking the battery apart and checking it with the volt meter, then putting it back in the charger has started it recharging again. The green light on the charger is blinking and this morning the green light was steady and charged at 20.20v on the other P102 battery.

Ron Woods - Ответить

I successfully re-balanced using the mobile phone method described in this blog. My battery was an old one with the screw on the base BPL-1815(130429000. Having raised all the individual batteries to 3.15 volts it successfully charged on the charger until I had a steady green light. When I attached it to the drill it didn’t work. I checked the voltage across the pillar terminals and it read 15.8 v. I stripped it back down again and measured each battery voltage - all 5 read 4.12v. Any idea what may be causing this loss at the pillar terminals. Incidentally, i measured the same 15.8 at the base of the terminal.

jim.dewberry - Ответить

There are several things you can do to help extend the life of your Ryobi 130501002 battery. First, store it separate from the tool to which it belongs. Do not leave it in the charger when it is fully charged. Second, keep it in a place that has a fairly consistent temperature. Finally, if dealing with Nickel based Ryobi 130501002 batteries, make sure that the battery is fully discharged before recharging it.

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