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Der Mac ist zurück und er ist mehr Pro als jemals zuvor, nachdem das zylindrische "Mülleimer"-Design durch etwas ersetzt wurde, das mehr nach einem Computer aussieht. Von außen hat er was vom originalen Mac Pro von 2006, aber ist er auch vergleichbar, was die Reparierbarkeit angeht? Wir haben 6000 Dollar und ein großes Stück Cheddar investiert, um das herauszufinden. Los geht's.

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  1. Er ist nicht ganz so teuer, wie die Konfigurationen, die so viele YouTuber erhalten haben, aber selbst unser Basismodell des Mac Pro hat mit 6000 Dollar ein Loch in unsere Titanium Apple Card unseren Geldbeutel gefressen. Dafür gibt's: 8-Core Intel Xeon mit 24.5 MB L3 Cache und Turbo Boost bis zu 4,0 GHz 32 GB (vier 8 GB Module) 2666 MHz DDR4 ECC Arbeitsspeicher
    • Er ist nicht ganz so teuer, wie die Konfigurationen, die so viele YouTuber erhalten haben, aber selbst unser Basismodell des Mac Pro hat mit 6000 Dollar ein Loch in unsere Titanium Apple Card unseren Geldbeutel gefressen. Dafür gibt's:

    • 8-Core Intel Xeon mit 24.5 MB L3 Cache und Turbo Boost bis zu 4,0 GHz

    • 32 GB (vier 8 GB Module) 2666 MHz DDR4 ECC Arbeitsspeicher

    • AMD Radeon Pro 580X mit 8 GB GDDR5 VRAM

    • 256 GB PCIe-basiertes Flash-Speichermodul

    • 802.11ac WLAN und Bluetooth 5.0

    • Wie der Mac Pro davor ist dieser "Zusammengebaut in den USA" in einer Fabrik in Texas. Man sagt, in Texas sei alles größer, und dieser Mac macht da keine Ausnahme.

    • Im Gegensatz zum alten Mac Pro hat dieser eine neue Modellnummer: A1991 und EMC 3203.

  2. Von der Seite her gesehen ist der Mac Pro so Apple wie möglich. Riesiges Logo? Check. Kalter, harter Edelstahl? Check. Präzise gefräste Aluminiumplatten? Check. Auf der Rückseite haben wir ein paar Anschlüsse gefunden: eine 3,5 mm Audiobuchse, zwei Thunderbolt/USB-C-Anschlüsse, zwei USB-A-Anschlüsse, zweimal HDMI, zwei 10 GB-Ethernet-Anschlüsse und und ein ganz normaler (C14) Kaltgeräteeinbaustecker. Anschlüsse sind schön und gut, aber wir freuen uns mehr darüber, was sich hinter all dem schwarzen Plastik befindet: Acht PCI Express Karten­steckplätze, die mehr Erweiterungsmöglichkeiten bieten, als alles, was wir seit langem von Apple gesehen haben.
    • Von der Seite her gesehen ist der Mac Pro so Apple wie möglich. Riesiges Logo? Check. Kalter, harter Edelstahl? Check. Präzise gefräste Aluminiumplatten? Check.

    • Auf der Rückseite haben wir ein paar Anschlüsse gefunden: eine 3,5 mm Audiobuchse, zwei Thunderbolt/USB-C-Anschlüsse, zwei USB-A-Anschlüsse, zweimal HDMI, zwei 10 GB-Ethernet-Anschlüsse und und ein ganz normaler (C14) Kaltgeräteeinbaustecker.

    • Anschlüsse sind schön und gut, aber wir freuen uns mehr darüber, was sich hinter all dem schwarzen Plastik befindet: Acht PCI Express Karten­steckplätze, die mehr Erweiterungsmöglichkeiten bieten, als alles, was wir seit langem von Apple gesehen haben.

    • Von oben gibts zwei weitere USB-C-Anschlüsse und etwas, was nach einer unauffälligen Power-LED neben dem Power-Button aussieht.

    • Die beiden großen Griffe haben wir uns schon angesehen, aber was ist mit dem dritten in der Mitte?

    • Kann man damit den Computer öffnen? Nee, so einfach kann das nicht sein.

  3. Vor dem Teardown haben wir unsere Freunde von Creative Electron gebeten, unseren Mac Pro einmal in ihr Röntgengerät zu stecken. Es ist wohl keine Überraschung, dass dieses Gerät zu groß ist, um komplett in ein Röntgengerät zu passen - aber so weit sieht es sehr wie ein Tower-PC aus.
    • Vor dem Teardown haben wir unsere Freunde von Creative Electron gebeten, unseren Mac Pro einmal in ihr Röntgengerät zu stecken.

    • Es ist wohl keine Überraschung, dass dieses Gerät zu groß ist, um komplett in ein Röntgengerät zu passen - aber so weit sieht es sehr wie ein Tower-PC aus.

    • Und das sind gute Nachrichten!

    • Obwohl er wie eine Käsereibe aussieht, kann der neue Mac Pro keinen Käse reiben. Dieser wichtige Verbraucherhinweis kommt von iFixit, die Firma, die sich fragt, wieso ihr niemand ein Testexemplar zur Verfügung gestellt hat.

    • Wir haben das Gehäuse gereinigt und vom Käse befreit (ging ziemlich gut mit einem Halbert Spudger), bevor wir es wieder auf den Computer gesetzt haben. Also keine Sorge, er riecht gut.

    • Jetzt ist es Zeit, das Gehäuse zu öffnen. Wir haben für diesen Teardown ziemlich viel Werkzeug vorbereitet, aber bisher nur unsere Finger gebraucht.

    • Ein paar informative Punkte sagen uns, dass wir den Griff drehen sollen, was ziemlich leicht geht.

    • So vorsichtig wie Johann Schmidt beim Tesseract drehen und ziehen wir am Griff und enthüllen alles, was darunterliegt.

    I’m curious how the cover slides past the four handle rails. Does it touch/scratch as it slides by?

    Matthew Smith - Ответить

    Don’t quit your day job. Comedy is not your thing.

    Bennett - Ответить

    take it easy bennett, it’s just cheese

    Andy Miller -

    Is the cover dishwasher safe? That would make de-cheesing a whole lot easier…

    Bob Laughton - Ответить

  4. Das Gehäuse lässt sich mit wenig Mühe und ohne jegliches Theater nach oben abziehen - keine proprietären Schrauben oder Klebestreifen in Sicht! Im Inneren kriegen wir einen ersten Blick auf den Verriegelungsmechanismus, der uns sehr bekannt vorkommt... Ein genauerer Blick enthüllt die Pogo Stifte unter dem Power Button, die in Verbindung stehen mit ...
    • Das Gehäuse lässt sich mit wenig Mühe und ohne jegliches Theater nach oben abziehen - keine proprietären Schrauben oder Klebestreifen in Sicht!

    • Im Inneren kriegen wir einen ersten Blick auf den Verriegelungsmechanismus, der uns sehr bekannt vorkommt...

    • Ein genauerer Blick enthüllt die Pogo Stifte unter dem Power Button, die in Verbindung stehen mit ...

    • ... Kontakten auf dem Gehäuse. Wenn das Gehäuse entfernt wird, wird die Verbindung unterbrochen, was die Stromverbindung zum Computer abschneidet. Cool!

    As Peter Paul Chato pointed out in his “fevered dream” update on YouTube, it is too bad that Apple decided to engineer the top cover to not be removable without removing ALL the rear cabling. Would have been nice to have seen some genius feat of structural engineering, like putting a structural wishbone in there, to make it so you could remove the cover without necessitating disturbing the cabling.

    Also of note that the pictures released thus far of the rack-mount Mac Pro don’t show any change to the back panel, and no cable management arm to be seen.

    Scott - Ответить

    Maybe it’s a feature. They always tell you to unplug everything before you go snooping inside to install something. Now you have to.

    Well, maybe only the power plug needs to be unplugged. They could have made it so only the power cord would obstruct opening the case. The top ports need to be disconnected at least.

    Joseph van Tunen - Ответить

  5. Unbeeindruckt von der ominösen Reihe an schwarzen Modulen im Gehäuse ziehen wir am ersten Schalter, den wir finden, und ... Voilà! Die erste Abdeckung der Arbeitsspeicher klappt auf und legt zwei der vier Riegel frei, die in der Basiskonfiguration stecken. (Da ist noch Platz für acht weitere Riegel.) Wir brauchen immer noch kein Werkzeug - wenn du Daumen und Zeigefinger hast, kannst du die RAM (und wir haben sogar welche!) austauschen. Kann uns mal jemand kneifen?
    • Unbeeindruckt von der ominösen Reihe an schwarzen Modulen im Gehäuse ziehen wir am ersten Schalter, den wir finden, und ...

    • Voilà! Die erste Abdeckung der Arbeitsspeicher klappt auf und legt zwei der vier Riegel frei, die in der Basiskonfiguration stecken. (Da ist noch Platz für acht weitere Riegel.)

    • Wir brauchen immer noch kein Werkzeug - wenn du Daumen und Zeigefinger hast, kannst du die RAM (und wir haben sogar welche!) austauschen. Kann uns mal jemand kneifen?

    • Das i-Tüpfelchen ist das Diagramm auf der Innenseite der RAM Abdeckungen, das zeigt, wie die DIMM Steckplätze mit den verschiedenen Schpeichermengen gefüllt werden sollen.

    • Wir, die Open Source Reparaturanleitungen für jedes Gerät zur Verfügung stellen wollen, müssen euch wohl nicht sagen, wie sehr wir diese Art von Dokumentation <3.

    This looks like 2933 ram on the base model?

    Jason Benguerel - Ответить

    RAM speed is determined by the processor. This particular stick of DDR4 will down clock to 2666MHz.

    ryanwgregg -

    I thought iFixit was saying they were selling opposable thumbs. Disappointed.

    Jonathan - Ответить

    Oh, we’ll sell you the thumbs—but if you have to ask how much, you can’t afford it.

    Jeff Suovanen -

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  7. Die Füße werden von jeweils nur einer Schraube festgehalten - aber die Schrauben befinden sich in Vertiefungen in den Gitterrahmensäulen, was es ein wenig umständlich macht, an sie heranzukommen. Wir bewerkstelligen das mit einem 4 mm Inbusschlüssel und einem Mako-Griffstück für extra Drehmoment. Die Schrauben verbleiben im Rahmen, du wirst sie also nicht verlieren. Bei den Füßen sieht das anders aus. Die solltest du im Auge behalten, damit sie nicht abhauen. Wir haben keine 400 Dollar für das Rollen-Upgrade hingelegt, also ist es ganz schön, zu wissen, dass wir das Ding nicht wirklich in den Apple Store schleifen müssen, um seine Füße auszutauschen.
    • Die Füße werden von jeweils nur einer Schraube festgehalten - aber die Schrauben befinden sich in Vertiefungen in den Gitterrahmensäulen, was es ein wenig umständlich macht, an sie heranzukommen. Wir bewerkstelligen das mit einem 4 mm Inbusschlüssel und einem Mako-Griffstück für extra Drehmoment.

    • Die Schrauben verbleiben im Rahmen, du wirst sie also nicht verlieren. Bei den Füßen sieht das anders aus. Die solltest du im Auge behalten, damit sie nicht abhauen.

    • Wir haben keine 400 Dollar für das Rollen-Upgrade hingelegt, also ist es ganz schön, zu wissen, dass wir das Ding nicht wirklich in den Apple Store schleifen müssen, um seine Füße auszutauschen.

    • Wenn du ein wenig abenteuerlustig bist und eigene Füße oder Rollen anbringen möchtest: es handelt sich um M5x0,8 Schrauben. Da wir sie nicht ganz entfernen konnten, kennen wir auch nicht ihre exakte Länge, schätzen aber so 15 - 20 mm. Sie ragen 4 - 4,5 mm aus der Unterseite der Aluminiumplatte heraus.

    Really would like to see how the wheels are attached/removed, and if the wheels can be locked from rotating.

    Barry Sharp - Ответить

    I’ve seen a couple YouTube videos showing removal of the feet. Snazzy Labs posted a video today which shows that (plus taking apart the rest of the Mac Pro). I haven’t seen a video that shows the feet though.

    Joseph van Tunen -

    At $400, they are Wheels Of Fortune.

    Harry Solter - Ответить

    What’s the threading for the screws holding the feet (or wheels)?

    Tim Thomas - Ответить

    Hey Tim, we’ve updated this step with screw measurements!

    Craig Lloyd -

    If you remove the feet (or wheels) can the case lie completely flat or will the screws dig into the floor?

    Dr EGPU - Ответить

    Yes, it would, but I don’t think I’d advise that due to heat concerns, as the PSU is right at the bottom; not to mention the screws are captured, and may protrude a slight amount . You could likely get away with very shallow feet, though. the video here shows removal and stills: (https://blog.macsales.com/57077-owc-tear...)

    frederico -

    Can you remove the top handles like the feet?

    Curtis Abbott - Ответить

    Yes. But have fun moving it without them.

    frederico -

    • Die I/O Boards werden von Kreuzschlitz-Rändelschrauben gehalten und können von Hand gelöst (und festgeschraubt) werden. Aber unser zuverlässiges Manta Driver Kit ist immer zur Stelle, wenn du Hilfe brauchst.

    • Alle PCIe Karten werden von einem gemeinsamen Schalter gesichert (praktischerweise mit einer 2 versehen).

    • Dieser Schalter bewegt eine Schiene mit kleinen Haken, die alles auf ihrem Weg sichern. In anderen Worten: Ein Schalter, sie alle zu entfernen, ein Schalter, sie alle zu binden.

    • Und wir müssen zugeben, dieser Schalter fühlt sich wirklich gut an.

    Any chance shots of the I/O card and PSU are forthcoming?

    repoman27 - Ответить

    I could see a TPS51980A on the I/O card but I could not see the Thunderbolt controller (probably a JHL7540 like for the top ports). The I/O part of the card appears to have 44x2 pins which is enough for two DisplayPort inputs (≈20 pins each) and two USB 3.1 gen 2 inputs (≈9 pins each) plus some other connections (Thunderbolt header (sleep signals, force power, plug even, like on a PC motherboard)? audio (because all the PCIe lanes are used by the Thunderbolt controller so there’s none left for an audio controller?).

    Joseph van Tunen - Ответить

    Would like to see how the Promise Pegasus J2i and the R4i 32TB RAID MPX installs along with mention how the J2i disk cables attach to the data and power connectors.

    Barry Sharp - Ответить

    Hey Barry,

    @ryanwgregg helpfully provided this link showing a user’s experience with the J2i. From the looks of it, the drive cage clicks onto various standoff posts. The included cables attach directly from the drive ports to the data and power connectors.

    Arthur Shi -

    For the I/O part of the card, I forgot to say that there may exist two USB 2.0 connections (≈ 2 pins each) because Titan Ridge in other Macs use USB 2.0 from the chipset to provide support for USB 2.0 devices connected to the Thunderbolt ports. I wonder if the I/O connector also includes serial lines from the UARTs?

    Joseph van Tunen - Ответить

    So now you have me thinking, the C621 PCH only provides 14 USB 2.0 ports, and by my count:

    2 for the Thunderbolt 3 ports on the top of the case

    1 for the internal USB 3.0 Type-A port

    2 for the Thunderbolt 3 ports on the Apple I/O card

    2 for the USB 3.0 Type-A ports on the Apple I/O card

    4 for MPX slot 1 (up to 4 Thunderbolt 3 ports)

    4 for MPX slot 2 (up to 4 Thunderbolt 3 ports)

    Which is one too many for the PCH, so there must be a hub or additional USB 2.0 EHCI somewhere to make that work.

    I did spy a pair of TI TUSB1002A USB 3.2 10 Gbit/s dual-channel linear redrivers on the I/O card, which would be for the USB 3.0 signals routed from the PCH to the USB Type-A ports via the proprietary portion of the I/O card connector. There’s also the JHL7540, a pair of TI CD3217B or similar USB PD/Type-C port controllers, and possibly a Cirrus Logic CS42L83 audio codec on the card, but you can’t make out any of the part numbers. The audio codec probably needs a couple S2I connections to the T2 chip.

    repoman27 -

    Do we know for sure that Titan Ridge in host mode can’t provide its own USB 2.0? I have a Titan Ridge Thunderbolt dock with Titan Ridge USB controller that supports USB 2.0. Maybe that’s a feature of the JHL7440 that doesn’t exist in the JHL7540. Actually, I don’t know what chip it uses because I can’t open it and the pci ids database calls all Titan Ridge chips JHL7540…

    Joseph van Tunen -

    The decision not to include an EHCI in Thunderbolt 3 host controllers is slightly baffling to me, but does make a modicum of sense at least in the host context. I’ve yet to determine whether the JHL7440 includes one, but if it doesn’t, then it’s a pretty ridiculous thing to leave out. You should be able to look at the USB Device Tree in System Information with a USB 2.0 device plugged into the various ports and see how it’s listed. For instance, If I connect a USB 2.0 device to the Thunderbolt 3 port of my MacBook Pro, it shows up under AppleUSBXHCISPT, which would be the Sunrise Point PCH, vs. AppleUSBXHCIAR for Alpine Ridge or AppleUSBXHCIFL1100 for Fresco Logic FL1100. There are very few two-port Titan Ridge devices in the wild where the second Thunderbolt port is actually exposed, and it may be partly due to the shenanigans involved in properly supporting USB protocols on that second port.

    repoman27 -

    Yes, the driver for the USB 2.0 port on my Titan Ridge dock is AppleUSBXHCITR. TR = Titan Ridge.

    The Titan Ridge is different than Alpine Ridge because it has a USB output that is separate from the two Thunderbolt outputs. The downstream Thunderbolt port can be used for USB (port 1 for USB 2.0, port 3 for USB 3.x), DisplayPort, or Thunderbolt. The USB output of the Titan Ridge is just for USB (port 2 for USB 2.0 and port 4 for USB 3.x). I have tested a USB 2.0 mouse and a USB 3.x flash drive.

    The Blackmagic eGPU is similar to my dock but it uses a JHL7540 so maybe all Titan Ridge chips have the separate USB output. So what makes the JHL7440 special is that it can accept USB-C with DisplayPort alt mode as input through a Thunderbolt port. And so there don’t appear to be any shenanigans required for USB on Titan Ridge in peripheral mode.

    As far as I know, You can only use both USB ports of Alpine Ridge when it is in host mode which has both Thunderbolt ports as downstream.

    Joseph van Tunen -

    Upon further consideration, I’m pretty sure USB 2.0 never touches the Thunderbolt controllers. In a host setup, the signals are routed from the PCH to each Thunderbolt port controller. In 2-port device configurations, USB 2.0 is routed directly from the upstream port controller to the downstream port controller, unless the design requires USB 2.0 for some reason, in which case it’s routed to the upstream facing port of a hub instead.

    As for JHL7440 support for USB3 hosts, the simplest way to achieve this logically is for the downstream Thunderbolt and dedicated USB ports to be connected to the downstream facing ports of a hub, with the upstream facing port of the hub connected to a 2:1 mux which can switch between the upstream Thunderbolt port and the integrated xHCI depending on the capabilities of the attached host. There is probably only a single stepping of Titan Ridge silicon, but for obvious reasons, that mux would have to be either fused off or fixed in firmware for host implementations.

    repoman27 -

    Who else moved back and forth between the second and third image multiple times?

    (Precision photography - nice!)

    Tom W. - Ответить

    The conventional PCIe portion of slot 8 sure looks like it’s x8 both physically and electrically, yet we know that’s only billed as an x4 slot. What’s up with that? I’d really like to see better shots of the Apple I/O card.

    repoman27 - Ответить

  8. Es regnet Module! Das I/O Board, die Grafikkarte und das Netzteil kommen alle aus der gleichen Seite des Gehäuses heraus. Wir halten einen Moment inne und bewundern all die Zahlen, die die Reihenfolge der Schritte anzeigen. Hinweise sind super bei Reparaturen! (Ob du's glaubst oder nicht, nicht jeder liest die Reparaturanleitung.) Das Netzteil braucht am meisten Aufwand. Es ist mit einer einzelnen T8 Torx-Schraube befestigt.
    • Es regnet Module! Das I/O Board, die Grafikkarte und das Netzteil kommen alle aus der gleichen Seite des Gehäuses heraus.

    • Wir halten einen Moment inne und bewundern all die Zahlen, die die Reihenfolge der Schritte anzeigen. Hinweise sind super bei Reparaturen! (Ob du's glaubst oder nicht, nicht jeder liest die Reparaturanleitung.)

    • Das Netzteil braucht am meisten Aufwand. Es ist mit einer einzelnen T8 Torx-Schraube befestigt.

    @ iFixit, a little teardown for the GPU package? Want to see its internal structure.

    P.S. Curious about the power supply, do another teardown for that?

    Stanley Qiu - Ответить

    I wonder what the possibility would be to get an additional i/o board. I need 3 thunderbolt 3 ports for my set up, but i’m reluctant to use the top ones (just bad style).

    Dave Kimura - Ответить

    Agreed. But the only way I can determine, so far, to add actual Thunderbolt 3 ports is to upgrade the video card for $2400-$5200 (W5700X pricing TBD), each of the upgrades including four more Thunderbolt 3 ports, each.

    I’m stuck in the same boat; with just the 580X, I would burn all four base ports attaching my peripherals, with no room to grow, save for expensive, flakey pass-through hubs I don’t otherwise need.

    there’s been some limited success getting the $100 Gigabyte Titan Ridge Working on cMP, and they definitely work on certain Hackintosh, but MP 2019 doesn’t have the stated required TBC board headers, and so far I can’t find anyone who’s even tried it to see if the TB headers are irrelevant, and effectively present and wired directly on the actual PCIe slot, not just the MPX; I’m planning on trying it, but I’m pretty certain it’s the latter, and it’s not going to work.

    frederico -

    it’s not out of the question for someone to build a TB3 card for the 7,1, but it ain’t gonna come in at $100, that’s for sure. Not being able to justify the need for the Vega card , or unless the W5700 comes in much cheaper than I’m predicting at around $1400, I’m going to be installing aftermarket video to free up the two top ports for come and go devices.

    frederico -

    And the real kicker is the Apple I/O Card will only work in Slot 8.

    frederico - Ответить

  9. Teardown Update:  Wir haben uns dieses speziell konzipierte AMD Radeon Pro 580X Video-Kartenmodul genauer angeschaut: Wenn man an der Entriegelung zieht, werden zwei Laufrollen auf der gegenüberliegenden Seite in Bewegung gesetzt, die die Platine abkoppeln und gleichzeitig vom Motherboard wegdrücken. Im Gegensatz zum Modul selbst, lässt sich das Silizium in Inneren nicht mit einem cleveren Hebel herausnehmen! Unter einem riesigen Aufkleber auf den Kühlrippen verstecken sich ein paar hinterhältige Schrauben, und der Hebelmechanismus muss erst sorgfältig gelöst werden, bevor wir endlich die Platine herausziehen können.
    • Teardown Update: Wir haben uns dieses speziell konzipierte AMD Radeon Pro 580X Video-Kartenmodul genauer angeschaut:

    • Wenn man an der Entriegelung zieht, werden zwei Laufrollen auf der gegenüberliegenden Seite in Bewegung gesetzt, die die Platine abkoppeln und gleichzeitig vom Motherboard wegdrücken.

    • Im Gegensatz zum Modul selbst, lässt sich das Silizium in Inneren nicht mit einem cleveren Hebel herausnehmen! Unter einem riesigen Aufkleber auf den Kühlrippen verstecken sich ein paar hinterhältige Schrauben, und der Hebelmechanismus muss erst sorgfältig gelöst werden, bevor wir endlich die Platine herausziehen können.

    • Unsere Mühen haben sich allerdings gelohnt:

    • Das Wichtigste! Radeon Pro 580X von AMD (eine Iteration ihrer Pro 500 Serie für Macs) aufgebaut auf ihre 14 nm Polaris Architektur mit 36 Computereinheiten.

    • Zwei Reihen Micron GDDR5 VRAM mit insgesamt 8 GB

    • 2x MegaChips MCDP2920 wahrscheinlich etwas ähnliches wie ihr MCDP2900 DisplayPort 1.4 zu HDMI 2.0 Konverter

    • International Rectifier IR35217 Buck-Controller (ähnlich wie der IR35211) und NXP's L6524 I/0 Expander

    The pictures show the four 4 lane DisplayPort 1.4 connections are at the end of the MPX slot away from the MPX power pin. So the unused pins near the MPX power pin are probably for the two 4 lane PCIe connections for the two Titan Ridge Thunderbolt controllers that the Radeon Pro 580X doesn’t have (and probably four USB 2.0 connections if Titan Ridge doesn’t support USB 2.0 itself).

    Joseph van Tunen - Ответить

  10. Was für eine angenehme Überraschung! Nachdem wir das Lüftungsgehäuse herausnehmen, finden wir die winzig kleine SSD. Wir freuen uns darüber, dass es eine modulare SSD ist, aber wir sind traurig, weil wir wissen, dass sie an den T2 Chip gekoppelt ist und deshalb nicht einfach von Nutzern ausgetauscht werden kann. Aber da es viele weitere Möglichkeiten gibt, den Speicherplatz zu erweitern, ist das nicht ganz so schlimm.
    • Was für eine angenehme Überraschung! Nachdem wir das Lüftungsgehäuse herausnehmen, finden wir die winzig kleine SSD.

    • Wir freuen uns darüber, dass es eine modulare SSD ist, aber wir sind traurig, weil wir wissen, dass sie an den T2 Chip gekoppelt ist und deshalb nicht einfach von Nutzern ausgetauscht werden kann.

    • Aber da es viele weitere Möglichkeiten gibt, den Speicherplatz zu erweitern, ist das nicht ganz so schlimm.

    • Diese SSD kommt uns sehr bekannt vor, denn anscheinend benutzt Apple dasselbe Design, das wir schon im iMac Pro gesehen hatten. Das ist wahrscheinlich ganz gut so, denn je mehr Geräten im Umlauf sind, desto mehr Ersatzteile gibt es.

    No peek under the sticker there on the NAND module?

    repoman27 - Ответить

    It’s worth noting for anybody unaware: this is not exactly an SSD. It’s a card with flash chips and a buffer, but no controller. The controller is the T2, which is on the logic board.

    This makes aftermarket storage easier to manufacture (no need to source a controller or the firmware for it), but due to the limited market, I wouldn’t expect to see anybody but Apple make these modules.

    Zimmie - Ответить

    Can you verify that users can replace that NAND part if we get a replacement part separately?

    Hardware Software - Ответить

    @Hardware Software: not user replaceable, looks like it’ll require a trip to the apple store

    https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT210556

    SSD

    Mac Pro supports up to two solid-state drive (SSD) modules. If you need to remove and replace the SSD modules, contact Apple or an Apple Authorized Service Provider.”

    Surebet SA - Ответить

    After going through really frustrated conversation with Apple tech support yesterday, and with this article, I would recommend not to DIY any T2-related part. Apple is not exactly being friendly to disclose further guidance for user to replace these parts. In fact even expert like OWC couldn’t crack down enough to provide compatible parts on iMac Pro.

    With all the friendliness swapping out parts, this is an area you don’t want to get your hands wet.

    Marinna Cole - Ответить

    With a machine of this calibre, why Apple did you not go with an industry standard NVMe slot instead? I’m sure there would be some relatively straightforward way to keep the T2 crypto engine and still use NVMe storage.

    At least Apple’s pricing for SSD storage isn’t insane, however with NVMe slots, we could use a Samsung 970 Pro and add 1 TB of storage for $300 instead of $400.

    Kai Howells - Ответить

    This document explains what kind of control freak Apple is.

    https://www.apple.com/mac/docs/Apple_T2_...

    Marinna Cole - Ответить

    It would be nice to have confirmation that it is user replaceable, even if users have to buy those replacements from Apple.

    Henrik Helmers - Ответить

    Plenty of PCI-e slots, and NVME to PCI-e adapters are readily available. Would performance suffer with a PCI-e SSD vs. the included SSD?

    Steve Wechsler - Ответить

    The SSDs are encrypted by the T2 and therefore have added security. I guess the T2 is acting as the NVMe controller? I haven’t seen pictures of the modules that show if they have a controller or not.

    The base configuration comes with only one SSD module. If you have a configuration with two modules, are they hardware RAIDed together? Apple does not say either way. A RAID would require 8 PCIe lanes instead of 4 so probably not.

    macOS doesn’t allow booting from software RAID of normal SSDs (without some setup difficulty).

    Joseph van Tunen - Ответить

  11. Die Anordnung mit drei Lüftern kommt in einem Stück raus. Sie wird von sechs Schrauben festgehalten und ist durch Federkontakte mit dem Logic Board verbunden - keine hakeligen Kabel, mit denen wir uns rumschlagen müssen! Die drei Lüfter ziehen kühle Luft durch die Löcher der vorderen Käsereibe und drückt sie durch mehrere Kühlkörper über das Logic Board. Dann zieht der hintere Lüfter die heiße Luft über die Rückseite hinaus. Ein paar interessante Dinge bei dieser Anordnung:
    • Die Anordnung mit drei Lüftern kommt in einem Stück raus. Sie wird von sechs Schrauben festgehalten und ist durch Federkontakte mit dem Logic Board verbunden - keine hakeligen Kabel, mit denen wir uns rumschlagen müssen!

    • Die drei Lüfter ziehen kühle Luft durch die Löcher der vorderen Käsereibe und drückt sie durch mehrere Kühlkörper über das Logic Board. Dann zieht der hintere Lüfter die heiße Luft über die Rückseite hinaus.

    • Ein paar interessante Dinge bei dieser Anordnung:

    • Die meisten Computer haben extra Lüfter für Prozessor und Grafikeinheit zusätzlich zu den Lüftern vorne und hinten. Der Mac Pro hat nur Lüfter vorne und hinten, die wohl für genügend Kühlung in jeder stressigen Situation sorgen.

    • Eine andere Sache, die fast alle Computer haben: irgendeine Form von Filter, damit die Luft vor den Lüftern gereinigt wird. Die Ingenieure von Apple haben öffentlich behauptet, dass sie das nicht brauchen. Im Lauf der Zeit wird sich zeigen, wie staubig diese Dinger werden.

  12. Was ist das? Ein kleines Babymodul! Es sitzt zwischen zwei Steckplatzgruppen und scheint der Lautsprecher zu sein. Nachdem quasi alles aus dem Weg geräumt ist, wenden wir uns dem Gehirn dieser ganzen Operation zu: der Prozessor, der derzeit noch unter dem riesigen Kühlkörper (und ein paar ziemlich tief versteckten T15 Torx Plus Schrauben) gefangen ist. Da es keine Anleitung für den Prozessoraustausch gibt, schrauben wir die Halterung des Kühlkörpers von der Rückseite des Logic Boards und lösen so sowohl die Halterung als auch den Prozessor (Intel Xeon W-3223) von dem LGA 3647 Sockel.
    • Was ist das? Ein kleines Babymodul! Es sitzt zwischen zwei Steckplatzgruppen und scheint der Lautsprecher zu sein.

    • Nachdem quasi alles aus dem Weg geräumt ist, wenden wir uns dem Gehirn dieser ganzen Operation zu: der Prozessor, der derzeit noch unter dem riesigen Kühlkörper (und ein paar ziemlich tief versteckten T15 Torx Plus Schrauben) gefangen ist.

    • Da es keine Anleitung für den Prozessoraustausch gibt, schrauben wir die Halterung des Kühlkörpers von der Rückseite des Logic Boards und lösen so sowohl die Halterung als auch den Prozessor (Intel Xeon W-3223) von dem LGA 3647 Sockel.

    • Wir hoffen, dass Apple die restliche Bedienungsanleitung für diesen Mac Pro noch um einiges erweitern wird. (Aber große Hoffnung haben wir nicht - wir arbeiten schon an den fehlenden Anleitungen.)

    Will this unit have multiple CPUs as the Mac Pro 5,1 depending on the number of cores? I wonder if I can get the basic configuration and upgrade to the max when it’s cheaper, anyone knows?

    Alberto Velandia - Ответить

    This is a SINGLE socket design. The 3000 Series of the Xeon W does not support a dual socket configuration.

    ryanwgregg -

    Deeply hidden T15 screws, you say? Great callback to the original Macintosh!

    shelby_r_davis - Ответить

    Yep. I wonder if my 16” long T15 screwdriver (for opening my Mac SE) will work here.

    shamino -

    @Alberto Velandia, All configurations of this Mac Pro will be one socket.

    jest7 - Ответить

    Does the speaker contain the 6-speaker-system and the 2 force-cancelling subwoofers like the 16-inch MBP? It’ll be cool if Apple had put such an advanced sound system into a “Pro“ tower.

    Stanley Qiu - Ответить

    No, the speaker is absolute garbage according to a video clip Snazzy Labs posted on Twitter. Not sure why they didn’t re-purpose some of the MacBook Pro drivers, or even one from the iPad Pro or or even an iPhone (both of which apparently sound better than this one according to him and his recording lol)

    noah.lach -

    My guess is that they expect media professionals (the obvious target market) to be using their own audio interfaces, probably attached via USB or Thunderbolt.

    Which is perfectly understandable, since most people running a desktop system (who care about sound quality) typically use external speakers anyway. My home Mac (a 2012 mini and its predecessor, a 2002 PowerMac) is connected to a Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 system and I wouldn’t have it any other way. As far as I’m concerned, Apple could get rid of the built-in speaker altogether on their desktop systems.

    shamino -

  13. Obwohl der Power Button selbst raffinierte Pogo Pins hat, ist das Breakout-Board, an das er befestigt ist, eine der einzigen mit einem physischen Kabel verbundenen Komponenten im gesamten Gerät. Aber es ist einfach genug, zu entfernen, was uns den Weg zum Logic Board frei macht. Endlich ziehen wir das Logic Board aus seinen natürlichen Lebensraum.
    • Obwohl der Power Button selbst raffinierte Pogo Pins hat, ist das Breakout-Board, an das er befestigt ist, eine der einzigen mit einem physischen Kabel verbundenen Komponenten im gesamten Gerät. Aber es ist einfach genug, zu entfernen, was uns den Weg zum Logic Board frei macht.

    • Endlich ziehen wir das Logic Board aus seinen natürlichen Lebensraum.

    • Selbst für Tower PCs ist diese Hauptplatine riesig - es erinnert mehr an ein Xbox Board als den alten 2013er Mac Pro.

    JHL7540 two port Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 controller in the top middle. There should be another one on the I/O card.

    Joseph van Tunen - Ответить

    Y’all forgot to mention the AirPort chipset, etc? They did some interesting routing of the WiFi/Bluetooth antenna cables…

    ryanwgregg - Ответить

    Hey ryanwgregg,

    We may do a teardown update on the WiFi/Bluetooth card.

    They definitely did some creative routing for the wireless cables! In order to get good wireless reception through the pretty solid aluminum enclosure, they routed the cables to the top of the case right underneath both handles. The antennas are covered by plastic inserts there, which allows the Mac Pro good reception.

    Arthur Shi -

    Arthur,

    Yes would really love to see a teardown update on the wireless / wifi card. I'm very into privacy and when receiving my mac pro would really want to disconnect and remove wifi / bluetooth as much as possible. With old macs the wireless card was removable. I understand here it's not, though it on a breakout board like this gives me hope, perhaps for some government customers or some special requirements labs they will release a version with a different breakout i/o top card without the wireless capabilities. In the meantime the first thing I'd do would be to disconnect these antennas which would at least significantly reduce the reception (curious as to how much), and I'd want to plan better to significantly via hardware disable that wireless chipset even if it means possibly some soldering. A better look at that setup would really help plan that out and decrease likelihood of breaking something.

    jeyalo - Ответить

  14. Unser Basismodell sieht vielleicht etwas kahl aus, aber es gibt immer noch jede Menge Silizium: 2x aQuantia AQC107-B1-C Multi-Gigabit-Ethernet-Steuerung
    • Unser Basismodell sieht vielleicht etwas kahl aus, aber es gibt immer noch jede Menge Silizium:

    • 2x aQuantia AQC107-B1-C Multi-Gigabit-Ethernet-Steuerung

    • 2x Diodes Incorporated PI3DBS16 PCIe Thunderbolt 3 Signal Mux

    • Pericom (aufgekauft von Diodes Incorporated) P17C9X PCIe Paket Switch

    • TPS 51980A TI 921 A57R Buck Konverter

    • PLX Technology PEX8798-AB80B1 G 1907 CB007158 TA1BAN, wahrscheinlich ein PCIe-Schalter

    • 3x Primarion (aufgekauft von Infineon) PXE1610CDN, wahrscheinlich ein PMIC

    The P17C9X is more likely a PI7C9X7952 PCI Express Dual UART I/O Bridge (supporting two 16C950 UARTs with baud rate up to 15 Mbps). Basically, serial ports. I don’t know what it would be for though. It should appear in IORegistryExplorer and lspci output because it’s a PCIe device.

    Joseph van Tunen - Ответить

    I second that motion. PI7C9X7952 all the way.

    repoman27 -

    Bluetooth module probably has a UART interface, but I can’t recall ever seeing this type of I/O bridge in previous Apple designs.

    repoman27 -

    The UARTs are between the two MPX slots, so maybe the MPX slots have UART lines for serial port communication?

    We could open a terminal, start talking, and see if anything responds.

    There are Bluetooth serial drivers so that could be it too. The serial driver is probably Apple16X50Serial.kext. Bluetooth UART driver is IOBluetoothHostControllerUARTTransport.kext. If the device is not matched by Bluetooth, then the normal serial driver will handle it probably.

    Joseph van Tunen -

    Where’s the PI3DBS16? I don’t see the orange square.

    Joseph van Tunen - Ответить

    The PEX8798 could be a PEX8796 (the picture is unclear). The number should match the PCIe product ID found in IORegistryExplorer or lspci output. Apple probably labels the slots in the I/O registry so it should be easy to discover how the 96 lanes are divided but you may need to populate each slot to be sure (the MPX part of a slot for the GPU Thunderbolt controllers might not be labeled?).

    Joseph van Tunen - Ответить

    It’s a Broadcom/Avago/PLX/whatever they’re calling themselves these days PEX 8796 96-lane, 24-port PCIe Gen3 switch. Pretty heavy-duty. They’re running it with dual upstream x16 links to the CPU, and the bandwidth allocation to the downstream ports is configurable via the Expansion Slot Utility.

    repoman27 -

    OWC has a much clearer picture of the PEX8796 in its 2019 Mac Pro teardown.

    Joseph van Tunen -

    Dual upstream? I’ve never seen that before. Are the slots divided between each upstream? I guess a single 96 takes less space and is less expensive than two 48. Does this have anything to do with the two pools of bandwidth configured in the PCI Expansion Utility - maybe we can see slots switch between upstream ports depending on whether pool A or pool B is selected? Wouldn’t that cause NVRAM variables saved per card to be wrong when the device path of the card changes? I guess it doesn’t matter - that is behavior that has to be handled in a normal Mac when PCI cards are changed around physically.

    Joseph van Tunen - Ответить

    The 8796 lets you create “two separate virtual hierarchies”, and I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what pool A and B are. I’d reckon a restart might be required after making any changes in that utility.

    repoman27 -

    I wonder if an x32 link would be superior to a dual x16? No matter, the 8796 only allows up to x16 links. I don’t know about the CPU…

    Joseph van Tunen -

    Xeon W=32xx CPUs have 64 PCIe lanes, 32 of which are connected to the 96-lane PEX8796. That leaves 32 lanes from the CPU, 64 lanes from the PEX8796, and 20 from the C621 PCH for downstream devices. Here’s my best guess as to the PCIe lane distribution:

    PEX x4 dual-port Thunderbolt 3 (Intel JHL7540)

    PCH x1 802.11ac Wi-Fi (Broadcom)

    PEX x4 PCIe slot 8 / Apple I/O card dual-port Thunderbolt 3 (Intel JHL7540)

    PEX x8 PCIe slot 7

    PEX x8 PCIe slot 6

    PEX x16 PCIe slot 5

    PEX x8 shared + x8 PCIe slot 4 (MPX bay 2, upper slot)

    PEX x8 shared MPX slot 2 (MPX bay 2, proprietary slot)

    CPU x16 PCIe slot 3 (MPX bay 2, lower slot)

    PEX x8 shared PCIe slot 2 (MPX bay 1, upper slot)

    PEX x8 shared MPX slot 1 (MPX bay 1, proprietary slot)

    CPU x16 PCIe slot 1 (MPX bay 1, lower slot)

    CPU 2x x16 96-lane PCIe 3.0 switch (Broadcom PEX8796)

    PCH x1 dual-UART (Pericom PI7C9X7952)

    PCH x4 T2 (Apple)

    PCH x4 NBASE-T 10GbE NIC 1 (Aquantia AQC107)

    PCH x4 NBASE-T 10GbE NIC 2 (Aquantia AQC107)

    repoman27 - Ответить

    6 remaining on the PCH for miscellaneous items?

    Joseph van Tunen - Ответить

    Yeah, but you only have a DMI 3.0 x4 uplink to the CPU, which is being oversubscribed to the tune of 2.7:1 or something like that. And the SSD controller in the T2 is perfectly capable of saturating that link all on its own.

    repoman27 -

    Did some one identify the Bluetooth and Wi-Fi card in Mapro

    Theetech - Ответить

    Step 14 has a picture of the PCB for the top power button and top Thunderbolt ports. The WiFi/Bluetooth is probably under the flat flexible cable.

    Joseph van Tunen -

  15. Um weiterzumachen, geh auf die B-Seite: Apple APL1027 339S00606 T2 Coprozessor
    • Um weiterzumachen, geh auf die B-Seite:

    • Apple APL1027 339S00606 T2 Coprozessor

    • Apple 338S00342-A0 (wahrscheinlich Apple PMIC)

    • Intel C621 SREHL J943F875 79S114U603974

    • 6x Diodes Incorporated PI3DBS16 PCIe Thunderbolt 3 Signal-Mux

    • 10x Diodes Incorporated PI3EQX8904 PCIe ReDriver

    • 2x Diodes Incorporated PI3PCIE324 PCIe switch und 2x Diodes Incorporated PI3PCIE3442A PCIe switch

    • NXP L6524 Allzweck-E/A-Expander

    You list the PI3DBS16 on both sides of the board but neither are circled, and I’m pretty sure you mean 8 not 6 for the quantity. Also, what are the markings on the MegaChips ICs in between the first two PCIe slots?

    repoman27 - Ответить

    The MegaChips ICs (on the left side above the T2 chip, and on the right between the PCIe slots) are all marked MegaChips MCDP6100C1 1849A905ES. It’s possible they’re USB-C repeaters, like the MCDP6000.

    Adam O'Camb -

    Thanks, Adam. I’d wager they’re serving as DisplayPort 1.4 retimers. And I can see now that there are 2x PI3DBS16412 on the other side of the board and 6x on this side.

    repoman27 -

    The components circled in dark blue need some revision. Working from right to left starting closest to the PCH you have a pair of 30-contact TQFN packages, then a pair of 40-contact TQFN packages, and finally eight 42-contact TQFN packages. All of them look to be from Diodes Inc. / Pericom, but none of them are the PI3PCIE2215 which you linked to and comes in a 28-contact package. They may all have part numbers that start with PI3PCIE, but they aren’t 2215s.

    repoman27 - Ответить

    Thanks for pointing that out, I updated the bullet with a corrected link.

    Adam O'Camb -

    Thanks again, Adam. Although that works for the two 30-contact chips, there’s still 10 more there (the next set of two and then the group of eight) that we don’t have part numbers for. And might I suggest linking to the manufacturer’s site rather than alldatasheet.com? Sorry to be such a pain!

    repoman27 -

    No problem at all! We don’t always have space in the teardown to list all the chips so I’m always happy to answer more specific questions. I also noticed I made a mistake with one of the model numbers which is corrected now. So the pair of 30-contact chips are 3242AZLE, the pair of 40-contact chips are 3442AZLE (added that to the last bullet), the four right 42-contact chips are P13WVR 13612ZLE Z1912GG, and the four left 42-contact chips are PI3DBS 16413ZHE 1907GG.

    Adam O'Camb -

    The P13WVR is probably PI3WVR13612 (the 1 is an I - the same mistake as for the PI7C9X7952 in the previous picture). I guess these are for switching the 8 DisplayPort connections of the two MPX slots between the four inputs of the two Thunderbolt controllers (top Thunderbolt controller and I/O card Thunderbolt controller). I don’t know what the circuit diagram would look like - if Apple doesn’t allow a lone MPX module in bay 2 then I think 6 DisplayPort switches would be required but if Apple allowed a 4 DisplayPort MPX module in bay 2 then 10 would be required. But there’s only 4?

    The PI3DBS16413 are used for PCIe? I don’t think they’d be used for Thunderbolt if the I/O card and GPUs have their own Thunderbolt controllers?

    I think we need pictures of the MPX modules, I/O card, and the top PCB.

    Joseph van Tunen -

    That whole cluster of components bounded by the coin-cell battery on the left, PCH on the right, and MPX slots on top and bottom are for DisplayPort switching. There are 2 MPX slots, each of which can provide 0, 2, or 4 DP sources which need to be routed to 2 Thunderbolt controllers, each with 2 DP sinks. The first two sources from each MPX slot go to the four PI3WVR13612 for a 1:2 demux, the latter two go to a pair of 2x2 matrix switches (PI3PCIE3442A for the main links and PI3PCIE3242A for the AUX channels). The 12 outputs are connected to the four 3:1 muxes (PI3DBS16413) with their outputs routed to the four MegaChips MCDP6100C1 DP 1.4 retimers and then on to the Thunderbolt controllers. I’d reckon the smaller components include four 3:1 single channel muxes for the AUX channels and four basic 3:1 muxes for the HPD lines. There should also be a couple 2x2 switches in there somewhere for the HPD lines.

    repoman27 -

    The PI3PCIE3242A and PI3PCIE3442A are 8 Gbps (PCIe gen 3). Are they good enough for DisplayPort 1.4 (8.1 Gbps)? They have applications for DisplayPort 1.2 (5.4 Gbps) and USB 3.0 (5 Gbps) but don’t mention DisplayPort 1.4.

    Also, what about muxes to switch PCIe lanes between the Thunderbolt controllers (two per MPX slot; x4 PCIe lanes per Thunderbolt controller) and the slots 2 and 4 ? Or are those PCIe lanes independent (which would be a waste of lanes)?

    Joseph van Tunen - Ответить

    I’m sure the signal integrity is just fine at 8.1 GT/s, but Apple is probably the only company crazy enough to use these parts for DisplayPort seeing as they really aren’t designed for it (no included AUX or HPD support). I guess discrete DP 2x2 matrix switches aren’t really a thing, so Apple just went with what was available off-the-shelf due to this being a relatively low-volume product.

    I posted my best estimation of the PCIe lane allocation in the comment thread for the other side of the logic board. Slots 2 and 4 both share 8 lanes from the PEX8796 with the proprietary side of the MPX slots by way of the 8 PI3DBS16412 muxes (6 on this side of the board, 2 on the other).

    repoman27 -

    8 of the PI3EQX8904 2-lane linear redrivers are being used to redrive the 16 PCIe Gen3 lanes routed from the CPU to PCIe Slot 1 at the bottom of the board, and the other 2 are redriving the 4 PCIe Gen3 lanes headed to the built-in Thunderbolt 3 controller at the top of the case.

    repoman27 - Ответить

    It appears that the CPU slot has bent pins! Upper right corner of the socket.

    matthewknice - Ответить

    Also I noticed no mention of the Wi-Fi or Bluetooth modules…..where are they in this machine? Are they upgradable or soldered like my 16” MacBook Pro?

    matthewknice - Ответить

    What about the random USB port or two SATA connections? What are they used for?

    Tim - Ответить

    As well discussed already, and enumerated on Apple’s site, the USB 3.0 port is intended for software license dongles (for pros to better keep them from being easily stolen from an external port), but you are free to install anything you want that is USB-compatible; flash or SSD (with adapters), etc… As for the two SATA, also well-discussed that it (and the mini-10-pin power header) are currently filled with the optional Promise J2i dual-HDD carrier. You can expect more drive carrier options for far less money, and able to hold more drives. Already new owners are 3D-printing (and sharing) custom drive carriers.

    I will be building my own drive carrier from steel to host three 3.5” HDD and twelve 2.5” SSD and attached RAID card, which will migrate from my current MP. I might use the two included SATA ports for a couple spare SSD for clones or scratch; and I will probably run the USB3 port to a spare PCIe gate and make it available for external use.

    HTH

    frederico -

  16. Der neue Mac Pro ist ein wahres Fixmas Wunder: wunderschön, unglaublich gut durchdacht zusammengebaut, und in der Meisterklasse der Reparierbarkeit.
    • Der neue Mac Pro ist ein wahres Fixmas Wunder: wunderschön, unglaublich gut durchdacht zusammengebaut, und in der Meisterklasse der Reparierbarkeit.

    • Sehr positiv ist, dass der Großteil der Module ganz einfach ohne Werkzeug ausgetauscht werden kann; die (größtenteils) standardmäßigen Schrauben; Zahlen und Diagramme direkt auf dem Gerät; aber am meisten lieben wir die kostenlosen öffentlichen Reparaturanleitungen und Videos.

    • Trotz der vielen positiven Dinge behält Apple sich immer noch das Recht vor, bestimmte Reparaturen durchzuführen, wie mit der proprietären SSD.

    • Außerdem enthalten manche Reparaturanleitungen von Apple einen Hinweis, dass man einen von Apple autorisierten Service Provider für die Reparatur aufsuchen muss - obwohl man sie auch ganz einfach Zuhause selbst machen könnte.

    • Mit 2019 im Rückblick wundern wir uns, ob Microsoft und Apple ihre Geräte nicht nur zum Spaß (oder für uns) reparierbarer machen - vielleicht fangen die #RightToRepair Gesetze an, für sie erschreckend ernst zu werden?

    • Motivation und Zankerei beiseite, das ist ohne jeden Zweifel das am besten reparierbare Apple-Produkt in jüngster Erinnerung. Wie sieht das im Hinblick auf die Reparierbarkeits-Bewertug aus?

  17. Заключительные мысли
    • Das Öffnen könnte nicht einfacher sein.
    • Grundliegende Reparaturen und Erweiterungen können mit Standard- oder sogar ohne jegliches Werkzeug durchgeführt werden.
    • Die wichtigsten Komponenten sind hochmodular und nutzen die in der Industrie üblichen Anschlüsse und Schnittstellen, was ersetzen und erweitern zu einem Kinderspiel macht.
    • Apple hat ein paar Zahlen und Diagramme direkt auf das Gerät gedruckt und kostenlose Anleitungen für einige Reparaturen zur Verfügung gestellt.
    • Die SSD Karten sind zwar modular, aber von Apple speziell angefertigt, was den Austausch erschwert.
    • Wenn du ein Ersatzteil brauchst, das nicht auf der sehr kleinen Liste von Apples offiziellen Ersatzteilen steht, dann zahlst du wahrscheinlich horrende Preise - falls du es überhaupt bekommst.
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Is it possible to upgrade processor after buying the computer?

And, Is it possible to use RAM from any manufacturer or we have to use Apple’s RAM modules?

Brais Nóvoa Loira - Ответить

We haven’t tested them yet, but to all appearances: Yes to processor upgrades, and yes to RAM upgrades. Both are modular, socketed, standard components.

Jeff Suovanen -

Yes! 9to5mac already tested it. Here’s the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHdUOJ6c...

Gilmar Pelegrini Jr. -

@Gilmer Pelegrini, Jr - 9to5Mac only did RAM…CPU should be straight forward but good luck finding a W-3275M, W-3265M or W-3245(M).

ryanwgregg -

I’ve been wondering the same! Has it been confirmed that the Xeons from the Mac Pro are the W-32XXM series? I have a W-3175X and I’m curious if it would work. It still uses the Intel C621 chipset found on these boards.

TJM -

@TJM - The socket has the same number of pins, but the TDP of the W-3175X is 50 W higher and it only supports 48 PCIe lanes vs. 64 for the W-32xx SKUs. So I’m guessing that would probably be a no-go, mostly due to the TDP.

repoman27 -

Does it look like DDR3 RAM could be compatible also?

Strongroom assistants -

@ Strongroom assistants - No DDR3. DDR4 ECC RDIMMs or LRDIMMs only.

repoman27 -

I bought an 8 core and tried to upgrade to 24 core with a W-3265.

Unfortunately it recognises only the original 8 but it works. Anybody an Idea how to fix that?

What is the difference between W-3265 and W-3265M? Obviously there is a big price gap!

maclab_1 -

Can you elaborate more about the WiFi/Bluetooth part for this Mac Pro?

Is the wifi/bt chipset (and which one?) integrated in the boards?

good best - Ответить

The WiFi/Bluetooth are located on the power button board. It appears the antennas are somewhere within the top part of the frame. See Step 13, first picture. You can see the antenna wires on the left side and the WiFi/Bluetooth hiding under the large ribbon cable.

ryanwgregg -

How do you use the internal sata ports, is there a power connector, and if so, what type of cable does it need?

Jason Kenney - Ответить

If you’re interested in rolling your own, here’s the correct connector ( https://www.molex.com/molex/products/dat... )

frederico -

I think your last point is not fair. They really did make a great design this time. There are tons of 3rd party parts for it and compatible with it already. It is not fair to give it a lower score because of that reason. It is actually much easier to repair than all standard towers and PCs I ever worked on. It deserves a 10/10.

Robin Conradi - Ответить

The SSD issue alone is a single point lost, IMO

ryancoleman -

If the SSDs fail you cannot repair it, replace it, or do anything other than return it. That’s two points in my book, but I still bought one.

Robert -

Absolutely not. Proprietary SSD that’s linked to the T2 security chip, so not only do you HAVE to buy the new SSD from Apple if you want/need to change it out, but you also have to have the repair done by an Apple technician because of the security chip. Should’ve lost multiple points for that. 7/10 would be a fair score.

jmdunk -

Nicely done teardown, I’ve been waiting to see the internals of the Mac Pro like this! I do feel however that your teardown’s nowadays they aren’t very detailed and in depth. You guys missed some parts that could be very interesting to see in more detail, like: Tri case fans, blower fan, heatsink, PCIe retention mechanism, top handle locking mechanism, GPU module, etc.

Just some thoughts.

zai fuchigami - Ответить

I agree and second this request

Bob -

I agree and third this request. This teardown is great but I was hoping to see more details around CPU, CPU cooling, and PSU.

TJM -

May the fourth be with you.

Vaibhav Nath -

Thank you, Jeff, for your answer

Brais Nóvoa Loira - Ответить

Would you say it’s possible to add a larger SSD (NVMe) to a PCI slot and use that as the start up?

Chris Bamford - Ответить

Most likely. Just like how previous Mac Pros can boot from NVMe, either internally (2010 Mac Pro, 2013 Mac Pro), or externally (2013 Mac Pro via Thunderbolt).

Joseph van Tunen -

Will you test if one could buy the base model and put the 28 core xeon in?

Meaning the “cheaper” 1TB W-3275 Processor. Not the way more expensive W variant for 2TB of RAM Apple would use.

ChrisCarneval - Ответить

Being that the W-3275 maxes out at 1TB of RAM, it can be assumed that Apple already uses the W-3275M to reach 1.5TB of RAM. One will need to test the 28-core with 256GB and 128GB RAM modules to verify that the Mac Pro (2019) supports 2TB on the W-3275M, W-3265M and W-3245M.

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/...

ryanwgregg -

Will you guys take apart the MPX modules? (Can we use the passive heatsinks for similar Radeon cards?) Can you show us how the Intel C621 heatsink is attached?

Jonatan van der Horst - Ответить

Pretty sure the heatsink is on the PEX 8796 PCIe switch, not the C621 PCH. That PCIe switch is a beast—typical power = 18.6 W!

repoman27 -

sorry then the system SSD cannot be changed?

dsign.daniele - Ответить

Only by Apple or an authorized service provider.

repoman27 -

It is physically replaceable, but my understanding is this can only be done by an authorized service provider. Not yet sure if that is a technical limitation. I would love to see more detail on this.

Does it accept exactly the same flash boards as the iMac Pro, or are these a new version?

What happens if you take a unit with the default 256 GB drive (as we see above, comprised of one board) and add another 256 GB board?

What if you take a unit with two boards and remove one board? At a minimum, it would require reformatting, since half the data would be gone, but does it work after formatting?

Can you run two boards of different capacities (256 GB and 512 GB, for example)? This can probably only be answered after the question about adding a second board to a unit which shipped with only one.

Zimmie -

The Mac Pro’s “SSD” can be changed, but they are not standard off-the-shelf M.2 SSDs. At a base level, off-the-shelf SSDs contain flash chips and a controller chip. The Mac Pro “SSD”s have memory chips but no controller—the T2 chip on the motherboard handles all that. The recent iMac Pro also use these controller-less SSDs. We plan to do some parts swapping and testing at some point!

Arthur Shi -

Where is the PSU in the final shot? Can you post more pics of the PSU? It looks like it’s dually cooled from both the bottom front fan and the blower on the back.

Colin Stalter - Ответить

Hi Colin,

You are right! The front blower channels air into the PSU module, which also has a side port that is directly connected to the blower fan.

Arthur Shi -

Yeah that shot is missing many parts.

Bob -

Also, this confirms that the Mac Pro is using PCIe Gen 4, which is great!

Colin Stalter - Ответить

Really?

I read that they will still use PCIe3 in their website. So, are the slots PCIe 4 compatible?

Brais Nóvoa Loira -

The mux/switch supports PCI3 Gen4 does not necessarily mean the platform is using PCIe Gen4.

What’s more, Intel CPUs currently does not support PCIe Gen4 at all.

Orange Chen -

The Xeon platform used is limited to PCI-E 3.0

tipoo -

Well at the end of the day, Apple is at least shown themselves able to make a computer that can be taken to the bits and bodged back together without breaking anything that was still working. Bravo for that bit at least, keep it up.

Towers is where their powermacs to mac pro’s got their status originally.

Ana E - Ответить

Can you please also teardown the Afterburner accelerator card in the future?

Yuedong Lv - Ответить

Pardon my lapse in spatial reasoning, but how is it that the RAM slots and PCIe slots are on opposite sides of the motherboard in the step 14 and 15 photos, yet are all accessed from the same side of the computer when the case is removed?

David Boroditsky - Ответить

Hey David!

The RAM and PCIe slots are indeed on opposite sides of the motherboard—you can’t access them from the same side when the case is removed.

Arthur Shi -

Best comment. “The new Mac Pro is a Fixmas miracle”

C.J. Land - Ответить

So by the looks of it, the dual CPU socket model is a different motherboard. Can we have a teardown of the dual socket model?

aku017 - Ответить

We don’t because we don’t have a dual socket model.

Orange Chen -

There is no dual-socket model of the Mac Pro (2019). The Xeon W-32xx platform is 1S only.

repoman27 -

Oh wait, you’re correct. My mind was stuck in the 2012 cheesegrater design.

aku017 -

That said, there are plenty of other ways to add storage, so it's not a total loss!

Can you elaborate on how users can add more storage as well as detailing the QTY of drives, form factor, etc?

Jeff S - Ответить

Hey Jeff!

Apple's primary options are the 32TB RAID MPX module, which would connect via PCIe. You can also purchase the internal storage enclosure (with 8TB hard drive), which allows you to mount two standard drives and connects to the internal SATA ports. Finally, you can use external drives.

Arthur Shi -

Has anyone given any thought to whether this could run a Type 1 hypervisor? That would then allow VMs running any OS, including Mac OS, to be run. The T2 allows only Mac OS or W10, which will rule out ESXi (and other linux-based hypervisors) from running on the default storage, but possibly would allow Hyper-V Server / Server core (if these use the same certificate as W10 - I don’t know)?

Alternately, boot drives connected to the SATA ports or a RAID card in one of the PCI slots (which would possible also allow ESXi, etc)?

Anyone investigated yet?

Thanks

David - Ответить

One thing that’s curious is that Apple lists almost twice the cache of the 28 core Xeon W than Intel does, 68MB vs 38 iirc. Is this a semicustom part? Do other Xeon Ws work as drop in upgrades?

tipoo - Ответить

Apple is adding the 28MB L2$ and 38.5MB L3$ together for 66.5MB total. It’s a little goofy.

repoman27 -

Ah, is that it? If they’re going to do hyjinx like that they should be listing which cache level, as Intels ARK doesn’t’ do that.

tipoo -

So 1 point comes off from having a proprietary SSD, but no points come off from having proprietary motherboard and proprietary power supply? Makes sense.

Doc Brown - Ответить

I guess a lot of systems from various manufacturers have proprietary PSUs and motherboards, whereas apart from Apple most of them use standard SSDs which are widely available from third-party suppliers.

David -

But from repairability viewpoint this is bad because the standard parts (CPU and RAM) are the parts that are least likely to fail, whereas the parts that might fail (motherboard, power supply, etc) most are all proprietary and difficult or impossible to get.

Doc Brown -

You used american cheese in the video. European cheese has different consistency and would likely work better for grating.

James Hetfield - Ответить

I’ve been waiting for this teardown for a long time! THANK YOU IFIXIT!

Ethan Zuo - Ответить

I would need to sell a kidney to return back to the Apple environment for my workstation. Thanks, but no thanks.

jmillerdesign - Ответить

Repairability is useless when all the components are proprietary. Apple will charge a fortune for them.

jhjh - Ответить

This Mac Pro is more repairable than this teardown is detailed.

Please do a more thorough and in-depth teardown showing details of all the different parts.

Bob - Ответить

Can you elaborate more of the SSD’s being non-repairable? They look at a glance like regular m.2 drives, albeit with some kind of custom housing.

If the only issue is support for the T2 chip, you can disable boot restrictions by starting in recovery mode and using the Startup Security tool from utilities, which allows booting from external drives, so maybe this would do the same for non-Apple SSD modules?

Haravikk - Ответить

They provided a link to the iMac Pro teardown, where they describe the following: “Unlike a standard SSD, which has the controller logic onboard, these raw flash modules only have an interface buffer—the PCIe/NVMe controller lies elsewhere.” I believe the controller is part of the Apple T2 chip.

Robert -

The HDMI outputs/connectors are on the separate Video card? Will you do a teardown of that also?

Gerard Pasman - Ответить

Two SSD modules in RAID?

Peter Gamble - Ответить

I’m expecting RAID-0, fast and efficient, but no redundancy.

Robert -

No, there are two slots for the proprietary modules that contain the NAND flash packages, but only one SSD controller (the T2 chip) located on the logic board. However, all SSDs use controllers that support multiple channels which can connect to multiple NAND packages containing multiple dies in order to leverage parallelism and increase performance. That’s one of the reasons they’re so dang fast.

repoman27 -

Probably the highest repairability score among Apple’s product.

Ryang Sohn - Ответить

With that T2 chip inside they can block any product from working, any moment after an update… goodluck with that. See whats happening with the new iPhones…!

schietkop -

Will buy once the base config is 1TB

matt leaf - Ответить

Man apple should make epyc base mac pro

alditjahjadi - Ответить

Let’s say I use boot amp and slap a nvidia 2080 ti and game with it. Where does the power come from. I see a extra slot behind the lower PCIe(s). Going to have to make my own….

mike c - Ответить

There are four 8-pin and one 6-pin PCIe AUX power headers on the board to the left of the PCIe slots for use with non-MPX cards.

repoman27 -

You would need something like this, or third party alternative for 1/3 of the cost: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HMUJ2...

The connectors look very standard so it shouldn’t cost much to make, but in typical Apple fashion the officially sanctioned kit’s price is set to unapologetically profitable level.

Doc Brown -

Can the 580X be installed in an external enclosure and used as an eGPU? Does it contain the second set of pins that the Vega II MPX module does or is it basically just standard pcie card in a fancy enclosure?

georgebrooksphoto - Ответить

Not without an adapter that no-one has invented yet. The second set of pins has four DisplayPort outputs from the 580X and it contains PCIe auxiliary power (takes the place of 6 pin or 8 pin power connectors). It seems like an adapter wouldn’t be too difficult to make to deliver power and extract the DisplayPort outputs (otherwise the card can only connect two HDMI 2.0 displays).

Those pins on the Vega II have only two DisplayPort outputs. They also have two PCIe 3.0 x4 links for the Thunderbolt controllers in the MPX module.

Those pins on the Vega II Duo are the same as with the Vega II but have four DisplayPort outputs like the 580X.

Joseph van Tunen -

Can I use any PCIe SSD instead of the original SSD?

Adrian Leung - Ответить

Probably. You may need to enable external booting if you want to boot from it.

Joseph van Tunen -

Can I put one or two Radeon VII to replace the 580 that come with it?

Adrian Leung - Ответить

Probably. You just need to add power cables.

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HMUJ2...

Your Thunderbolt ports won’t be able to connect a Thunderbolt display though. Not unless someone makes an adapter that can pipe up to four DisplayPort signals from the GPU into the extended MPX slot connector.

Joseph van Tunen -

where is the psu in the last photo

hocti - Ответить

Is there enough space to add a HDD or two and connect it to an internal PCIe card?

Julian Satran - Ответить

You can buy an enclosure (comes with an 8TB drive):

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/rec...

Or you can try to make one yourself (but I’m not sure where you would get power from).

Joseph van Tunen -

There is an MPX RAID module available from Promise.

And there are also 2 internal SATA 6Gb/s ports and what looks to be a Molex Micro-Fit 3.0, dual-row, 10-pin, vertical power header. Third party drive cages and cable kits are a little thin on the ground here at launch time (basically just the Promise Pegasus J2i), but I imagine iFixit, OWC, and other vendors will be all over it before too long.

repoman27 -

Do a tear down of the pro display XDR

linovil 2003 - Ответить

So my old 2010 MacPro has 4 HD slots. If I upgrade, how do I connect my old disks, and what i/o speed can I expect?

James Rome - Ответить

Pick up a cheap internal 2 port PCIe SATA card, along with the two included internal SATA and get better (SATA III 6Gbps) top end speed than your existing cMP SATA II ports (assuming your drives saturate the bus), and roll your own drive cage or wait for less expensive third party solutions, or pay a crazy high price for the Promise 32TB RAID MPX module. plenty of good hardware RAID 0 cards for small change will let you stripe four or more HDD for even better speeds. Here’s the power connector you need for your own cable, if you can’t wait for third party makers. ( https://www.molex.com/molex/products/dat... )

frederico -

Just because of that %#*@ T2 Chip this thing should have a 0 repair-ability score!

schietkop - Ответить

Surprised that you have it a 9/10 with the SSD being:

A. a proprietary design with few (or zero) third party options for purchase

B. Tied together with the T2 chip making user replacement impossible

jmdunk - Ответить

Better necessarily implies different. Apple sought to build a better SSD, and in many ways they did. If you don’t want to leverage the increased security, excellent performance, and higher capacity options that the T2 enables, you don’t have to use it. Buy the base 256 GB model and just treat it as a recovery drive. This box has 8 standard PCIe Gen3 slots, 2 standard SATA 6Gb/s ports, and an internal USB 3.0 Type-A port. You can use any bog standard M.2, HHHL PCIe, 2.5” or 3.5” SATA, or USB drive you like as an internal boot drive.

The T2 based SSDs provide an excellent user experience and have demonstrated high reliability. If you need to replace one or want to upgrade, you’ll need to contact Apple or an Apple Authorized Service Provider. There are 506 Apple store locations worldwide and more than 1800 AASPs in the US alone.

There’s valuing repairability, and then there’s prioritizing it above all else. I think iFixit’s assessment in this case was reasonably balanced.

repoman27 -

Welcome to the comment thread, to the apple employee who replied to me.

Honestly, you think quoting the number of Apple stores that exist in the US is a valid rebuttal to a clear example of anti-self-repair gatekeeping by Apple? Get lost with that. What are you even doing on this website?

jmdunk -

Excuse me Sir. May I Can Disasembly The airport(wifi-bluetooth)CARD? Is airport card are On-boarded?

I Must extract The airport card for my work space.

Thanks.

glen bonded - Ответить

The Mac Pro Has The SAS PORT?

glen bonded - Ответить

No, 2x SATA 6Gb/s. You can always add a SAS host adapter card though.

repoman27 -

Thank you! good x-mas and present!

glen bonded -

A giant leap above the iMac Pro, which represents a monument to style over function — my iMP self-immolated after just over 18 months, with all the files on the SSD lost when the power supply blew, taking other components with it. Shameful for a >$5000 product. The new MacPro is reminiscent of its hefty predecessors — FIXABLE!!!

pwsloss - Ответить

What’s really driving me nuts here is storage. I need to add more SSD capacity beyond 4TB, it’s perfectly fine if it’s not secure/encrypted and, at the moment, there’s no clear path to doing that. I don’t want platters, other than for backup so they do not need to be an overpriced 7200rpm RAID. Yes there’s always external but given all the space within the unit, which is the purpose of the unit, that would be silly to have to resort to.

I presume this stuff will come, but the uncertainty of that has me nervous. Why should that need to be a third party kludge in the first place to get 8-10TB of SSD internal?

biomuse - Ответить

It’s not going to be that hard, just at this moment, choices are limited, but I fully expect commercial solutions will start arriving soon now that the whole of the aftermarket beyond Promise has access to the machine. If you’re desperate to add larger SSD storage now, you have several choices; the Promise J2i and R4i will provide power and standard 3.5” drive bays, wherein you can install 2.5” SSD with adapters. Next you can choose PCIe NVMe adapters/controllers, with 1 to 4 slots (starting at $20 and up to $500-$800; storage not included), allowing you to install way faster SSD storage than Apple is providing, for far less money. Or you can do what I’m going to do at first, which is to install my RocketRAID 840A (16ch SAS/SATA) and hang my 12 2.5” SSD on a homemade bracket in the upper bay where the J2i is meant to go, giving me 20TB of faster-than-OEM storage. Only other thing I have to do is add a 12v-5v adapter to power the drives, assuming I can’t just hack the existing 10-pin SATA power connector.

frederico -

Found the connector for the SATA power header ( https://www.molex.com/molex/products/dat... )

frederico -

Can’t even grate cheese that well. Failed at its main function. Incredibly dissapointed, Apple. /s

Ethan Zuo - Ответить

Is there any additional hard drive slots to add drives to this machine?

Michael Inman - Ответить

No. Hard drive slots would look ugly and some people don’t need them, so Apple left them out. The only two options currently are:

“Promise Pegasus R4i 32TB RAID MPX Module for Mac Pro”

“Promise Pegasus J2i 8TB Internal Storage Enclosure for Mac Pro”

You can buy a PCIe card to add NVMe drives.

Only the J2i has the Mac Pro SATA power cable that you would need for other SATA drives - or maybe you could combine one of the cables from the “Belkin AUX Power Cable Kit for Mac Pro” with some kind of 12V to SATA power adapter (12V 5V 3.3V) - or maybe the proprietary Mac Pro power connector for the SATA power cable has a standard connector and you can make your own cable?

Maybe other options will exist in the future for cables and drive bays.

Joseph van Tunen -

Here’s the connector you need to create a 12v/5v/3.3v power cable for SATA drives ( https://www.molex.com/molex/products/dat...); make your own drive cage or wait for the aftermarket to offer something more useful and less costly than the J2i. I’m building my own for twelve 2.5” SSD for an RR840A RAID 0 adapter..

frederico -

Will it be possible to upgrade from the base processor to the 28 core processor? Or is it a different motherboard?

volkangela - Ответить

Why did you guys removed all the detailed informations about the thunderbolt card/chipsets Used/Wifi Bluetooth info etc etc ?

DSM2 Hackintosh - Ответить

Check the History (under Options, top right corner of the web page). Was information about Thunderbolt, WiFi, Bluetooth ever added? I don’t think so. It probably should have though.

There is a picture of the Thunderbolt controller for the top Thunderbolt ports. It’s clear enough to read the part number.

Joseph van Tunen -

After pulling out the motherboard, it looks like there’s a chassis board still in place (used for mounting the various components). Is that removable, leaving just the empty space frame (tubing, top, and bottom)? Perhaps you could add a couple pictures of what the final empty chassis looks like. If that chassis board is removable it’d be nice to have some pictures of it as well. (I’m looking towards the future. My suspicion is that if Apple respins various components, they’ll reuse the space frame, possibly with a different chassis board. And think of all the people who have repurposed old PowerMac or Mac Pro enclosures.)

Tim Thomas - Ответить

You don’t do teardowns on desktops or tower PCs very often, but have there been any (other than the previous Mac Pro) with lower repairability ratings? I thought this modular design was standard on all but the smallest form factor PCs. The repairability of this box is arguably a 9 by notebook standards, but seems average by tower PC standards.

Dan Watts - Ответить

Which type of Wi-Fi chip is this?

124991438 - Ответить

If it actually graded cheese it would rate a 10/10

neilrush - Ответить

Does the power “pogo pins” actually provide/cut power or just keep the power button from working?

Zeos - Ответить

Absolutely cuts power. You can “fool” the pins and controller, however, to temporarily fire the beast sans cover. Not advised for long at all though.

frederico -

I just noticed the new GPU teardown. Thank you so much! Happy holidays!

Ethan Zuo - Ответить

May you detail on the I/O card, please

Acosta - Ответить

Where's the thunderbolt 3 header (titan ridge?)

Acosta - Ответить

If there are Thunderbolt 3 header connections, then they must be in the I/O card slot and the MPX module slot.

Joseph van Tunen -

How to physically disable and get rid of Bluetooth an WiFi components?

Yahli Telem - Ответить

They seem to be located on the upper daughter board hosting the power ON/OFF relay and pogo pins; probably not going to be super easy to do much beyond disconnecting the antennae. Unfortunately, no one has yet posted an image of both sides of said card, so we just don’t know if the Broadcom chip is soldered or on an M.2-style adapter. However, there may be a special build SKU for government and corporate where WiFi/BT would not be allowed, so possibly one could swap out the whole daughter card for one sans those components.

frederico -

Could someone please verify that the extra four power headers on the main board (those intended to power video and other PCIe) are truly proprietary? The Belkin AUX Power cable images on the Apple Store aren’t super clear, but they look like standard eight pin locking connectors to me.

it irks me to pay $67 for $10 worth of everyday cables (notwithstanding most will go unused in a drawer).

Plenty of discussion that the SATA power header is a custom ten pin part (though it only uses eight contacts ( 4 by 4), and you have to buy an incredibly overpriced bracket and super noisy drive in a size you probably don’t want, just to obtain the $5 custom cable for pre-regulated SATA power.

frederico - Ответить

What does a non-proprietary 6 pin or 8 pin PCIe power connector look like? As for as I know, only the GPU end of the cable is non-proprietary. PSU manufacturers use different pinouts for the PSU end of the cable even if the connectors are the same. Even PSUs from the same manufacturer can have different pin outs for the PCIe power cables.

Joseph van Tunen -

That has not been my experience at all. MOBO headers and PSU 6 and 8 pin outputs are wired according to standards, just as are SATA/PATA/USB etc.. If a given PSU or MOBO manufacturer decided to swap pins around at the board level, when you installed a universal 8-8 or 8-6 or 6-8 connector, you could fry whatever component you attached it to.

e.g., this commonly available cable (an absolute ripoff at $12 because it lists as being specific to Mac Pro) is plug and play on *any* MOBO or PSU with standard 8 or mini-6 pin headers: ( https://www.amazon.com/COMeap-Express-Vi... )

frederico -

More typical is two for $8 (and most often even less than that): ( https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-2-P... )

So, yeah, the Belkin pack is nicely black, probably the right length and of good quality, but if I only need one, I’m getting royally shafted.

frederico -

I’m not sure you’ve shown non-proprietary-ness yet.

First you linked a cable for a Power Mac or Mac Pro which is Apple specific. Maybe you want the 2019 Mac Pro to have connectors like the classic Mac Pro? But maybe the classic Mac Pro’s connectors were not enough for 8 pin PCIe power (150W each). Possibly the onboard 6 pin connector of the 2019 Mac Pro is the same as the classic Mac Pro.

Then you linked a PCIe extension cable which is only for extending PCIe power cables. Maybe you want the 2019 Mac Pro to have male PCIe power connectors on the motherboard instead of the female connectors.

Yes, it’s annoying that the Belkin package comes with cables you don’t need. But it’s like any modular PSU you might buy for a PC build.

Joseph van Tunen -

I linked to the Mac Pro mini-6-8 pin to prove a point that Mac-labeled parts are automatically overpriced. I’m sorry I linked to the second in a hurry and didn’t select the correct board-header option; they are in the same ballpark price. Generally you seem to be deliberately obstinate to the larger point that no one should have to pay $67 for two, let alone just one (usable) cable. It is no problem to find good quality 18/16g cables capable of over 300w, or you just build one if you buy the header connectors blank. If it matters to you, add black braid cable sheath for $0.50. If the connector on the MOBO isn’t proprietary, I promise you I won’t be paying $67 gouge tax to install a video card. But, hey, thanks for obfuscating the actual question with your opinion.

To that end, does anyone have a factual answer to my question? Are the PCIe headers on 2019 MP proprietary? Or do they accept any available molex header connectors for custom builds? I just need a good image of the headers (1/2, 3/4, 5/6), pls/thx!

frederico -

For anyone else playing along, if you look closely at the only image of the board-end of the Belkin cables, the fifth cable looks pretty much like a mini-6 to 6 (probably for MOBO header 5/6), & the other five look like a mini-8 to 6/8, which may or may not be proprietary. It won’t be impossible to hack whatever is required once pinouts are verified, but it would be nice to use standard parts.

frederico -

FWIW, hopefully it’s this brand new part number in the Molex MiniFit Jr. line: ( https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Mol... ); the MiniFit 6 has been available for years. Even if the keys are different, they can be modified as long as the overall profile is correct. The voltage on the pinouts will be easy enough to verify once a fit is achieved.

frederico -

For those still playing along, OWC Kindly acknowledged a request for more details with a detailed image of the power headers (in the comments), along with other gorgeous component shots in the article itself) ( https://blog.macsales.com/57077-owc-tear... )

It’s looking very good for a simple install using the above-linked mini-8 Molex connector, so screw Belkin. I’ve ordered and will report here confirmation of a fit.

frederico -

Link spam robot denied my post confirming that the OWC teardown page and comment thread has images confirming it looks to be a mini-8 Molex connector on MOBO headers 1/2 & 3/4, and that the mini-6 Molex definitely fits header 5/6. Excellent news, so screw Belkin. I have ordered mine and will confirm fit here later.

frederico -

Would like to know which part on your website include all devices and the real cost of it.

Ayman El-Badry - Ответить

Can you link the correct board-header option?

I didn't say the connectors were proprietary. You can buy the connectors that will fit and make your own cable. I am saying that the connections to the connector (pin out or wiring) is proprietary. The only part that is not proprietary is the PCIe 6 pin or 8 pin (GPU) end of the cable.

Joseph van Tunen - Ответить

how long does it take to do this?

Tom - Cartoon - Ответить

Why not try a WowWee CHiP and WowWee MiPosaur Teardown? These are toys which have a lot of screws, and only require Phillips screwdrivers!

Michael Deitz - Ответить

Will we have a teardown on Pro Display XDR Stand? I am really looking forward to looking into the mechanics of the support structure

Ume Nishikino - Ответить

San you tell what power in Watts / Amps and Voltage does the 10 pin connector next to the SATA disks supply.

I found a lot of info and specs about the 6 & 8 pin connectors for the auxiliary power of the PCIe cards, but there is no information about that connector what power and from there how much disks would it be able to supply?

hyatanasov - Ответить

It has 12V and 5V but no 3.3V. I don’t think there’s any way to know Watts except to load the system up until it stops. Hopefully it powers off before something melts. At least you shouldn’t exceed the amps allowed by the individual wires connected to the 10 pin connector.

Joseph van Tunen -

I am just pondering how to fit this in a very height restricted space - I am therefore wondering if the chrome metal top handles are in any way removable?

It looks very much like they are not - they seem to pass directly through the machined aluminium part and down to the base and I cannot see how they would be loosened - the only thing making me hold out hope is that it would be a complex manufacturing process to have to bend these metal bars after passing them through the aluminium part…. but this is apple, so…

Dylan Evans - Ответить

No, you can’t remove the handles, which are part of the frame; but you can remove the feet, and perhaps replace them with something shallow, yet safe. OWC has a better teardown showing how to remove them.

HTH

F

frederico -

I’m wondering how did they make a case (the grater), jut look at the seam, there are no screws, did they really use glue to bond metals?

Froust Xatashi - Ответить

No, no glue at all; like most metals, seams of aluminum can be easily welded using heat. Aluminum is typically bonded using electrical current, rather than open flame or ignition of high-heat mediums (such as magnesium) also using electrical current. The two surfaces are pressed together, and an extremely high current flow is generated across them at given points, creating a sufficiently high enough temperature to melt at the point(s) of contact, most directly in line with the electrical current supply points. Then the electrical current is cut, and the liquefied metals quickly cool and leave behind a now-hardened molten weld point, that is generally quite permanent and only an equal or greater amount of heat can separate. HTH

frederico -

Does anyone know if the Apple I/O card has impact on the top USB-C ports? My top USB ports stopped working and only provide power now. Trying to trace where the fault is.

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